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Polysomnographer Amy Riley joins Cardium podcast to share her personal story of the California Camp Fire of 2018 that swept through Paradise, California and the surrounding area.

The California Camp Fire: A Healthcare Professional's Story

March 4, 2020



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Voice Over: Welcome to CARDIUM from Aureus Medical, the podcast that gets to the heart of travel healthcare and asks what's your why. With each episode we explore the topics and issues that impact healthcare professionals in the fields of nursing and allied health. Now here are your hosts, Sunny and Matt.

Matt: Welcome to another episode of CARDIUM. If you're a subscriber, welcome back. Thank you for being part of the CARDIUM family. If you're a new listener, thanks for stopping by. We hope you enjoy the podcast, and we would love for you to subscribe so you can enjoy future podcasts.

Matt: Joined to me today as always, Sunny.

Sunny: Hello.

Matt: Hi, Sunny. How are you doing today?

Sunny: I'm doing great, thank you. How are you?

Matt: Good. I'm really good. I'm really good. I say this about every podcast, but I'm excited about our podcast today. We've got a really important topic to talk about, and I think that it will go a long way with resonating, but really it's just different than what we've done before.

Sunny: And you know, we talk a lot about, personally in our conversations, we've talked about what it is to rebuild if we were to lose a job. Back in the recession back in 2009 about rebuilding after that. And in general, what does someone do when you rebuild from quitting or terming a job. What does someone do when you rebuild from a natural disaster? And that's what our topic is today. And so today we are speaking with a survivor of the Camp Fire of 2018.

Matt: Yeah, I mean, this is, as we've mentioned in as talking about it, this is so different than what we've discussed before. And our guest today is Amy Riley. And Amy is a Polysom Tech and she's been practicing since 2008. She began her career in Redding, California and moved to Magalia in 2014 when she took a position with Feather River Hospital in nearby Paradise. The hospital was destroyed in the destructive Camp Fire, which swept through Paradise in November of 2018. After the fire, she turned to travel healthcare and took her first assignment in Hollister, California. She is currently on staff full-time in the Sleep Lab of Adventist Health, Clear Lake, a sister hospital of Feather River. She also works per diem position in Chico, which is closer to her home. Amy is a married mother of two. Welcome Amy.

Amy: Hi there.

Sunny: Well, I want to give a little bit of background for those who may not be familiar about the fire before we jump into the interview. The Camp Fire was the deadliest and most destructive wildfire in California history and the most expensive natural disaster in the world in 2018 in terms of insured losses. And it's named after Camp Creek Road, it's place of origin. The fire started on November 18, 2018 and Northern California's Butte County, and it was ignited by a fall day electric transmission line.

Sunny: The fire caused at least 85 civilian fatalities, and you have to think about that. And to this day, one person is still missing. And it injured 12 civilians, two prison inmate firefighters and three other firefighters. It covered an area of 153,336 acres, almost 240 square miles and destroyed 18,804 structures with most of the damage occurring within the first four hours. And you think about how quickly that moved.

Sunny: The Camp Fire is also the deadliest wildfire in the United States since the Cloquet Fire in 1918 and is high on the list of the world's deadliest fires as the sixth deadliest US wildfire overall. And so no further ado, Amy, we'll get started.

Amy: All right.

Matt: So maybe Amy, you can, I mean, Sunny reading the information here, it's the information that we're talking about is pretty amazing. Pretty amazing that anybody survived it. It's just devastating. Can you take us through a little bit about the events leading up to the fire and kind of your day and how everything got started and when things got very real for you.

Amy: Well, the fire started about 6:30 in the morning. I was still working at the Sleep Lab. My shift didn't get over until 7:00. It was still dark when I left. So nobody even really knew that there was a fire that it even started. PG&E had told us prior to this that there is a 33% chance that they were going to shut off our power. And as a result we warned our patients in case any of them wanted to reschedule and come back another time. Out of the four patients we had, one took that opportunity. And so we had three patients to two techs that night.

Amy: When I got off work it was still dark, so still no signs of a fire. I drove probably about a mile from the hospital when I noticed a single fire engine with his lights on. Because it was just one engine I figured it was just a medical aid, just something standard and continued on home. It wasn't until I started driving up my street, which was about 15 minutes later, that I looked up at the sky and was like, "Oh my gosh, that looks like it could be a fire," but it looked so bad that I figured there was no way it could be real. And so I just figured it was the colors of the sunrise. And I parked my truck, went in the house and helped my husband get the kids ready for school. About 30 minutes later he left with the kids and then after dropping them off called me asking me if there was a fire. I told him that I thought the same thing and that it was most likely just the sunrise and he said "No, it really does look like smoke. Traffic is kind of moving slowly into Paradise. I think you should look into this."

Amy: So I told him, okay, hung up the phone, looked on Facebook and within a minute I saw that there was a fire where Concow and Pulga are, which is just basically on the other side of the canyon from the hospital. And so I immediately called him back knowing that what I saw was real and said that yes there is a fire. He's still continuing on towards Paradise to go to work in Chico. And I told him, "I think you need to turn around and come home." He snapped a photo of what he was seeing because he did see flames at a distance and sent it to me and asked me how much gas I had in the truck. And I said, "Only about a quarter of a tank to an eighth of a tank," and he told me that I needed to go gas it up.

Amy: So I hung up with him, sent that picture to work, telling them that they needed to pay attention to this, and they said that they were aware of it. I quickly got dressed, ran out to my truck, looked up at the sky and there was no doubt that was a fire. Jumped in my truck, drove probably faster than I was supposed to, to the gas station expecting a huge long line. Luckily I was only the third vehicle in line to get gas. After or during when I was getting gas I'm looking up at the sky and as well as the rest of us there just thinking how awful it looked, and I was thinking my next step was to go to the school and pick up my kids. About the time I got back in my truck work was calling me. This was probably about 8:15-ish telling me, "Don't come to work, we're being evacuated," and that was just one of those phone calls they didn't have to make because common sense later would tell me there's no way you're getting back into Paradise anyway.

Amy: As I was leaving the gas station, I noticed my husband in the driveway so I at least knew where he was at. I called him to let him know I was getting the kids, drove to school, ran up into the office, which was a scene of just complete chaos. Told them I was taking my kids, which they of course said was fine. Ran over to my daughter's class, picked her up first, and then we ran up to my son's class and picked up my son. And then ran back to the truck and drove home to start packing as much stuff as we could, which we started with all of our animals and supplies minus a couple other things.

Amy: And I had at the time three dogs and a bunny. And that meant two of my dogs had to ride in my husband's car with the bunny, and I had the two kids. My husband drove her truck with my pup and his crate in the bed of the truck, and we probably met up together at about 8:30. Around 9:00 is when I started getting the notice from my phone, whether it be text message, email, voicemail, about 9:15, 9:30 telling us that we needed to evacuate.

Amy: We were still getting stuff together. We pretty much finished at about 10:00, and the whole time we're just watching the news as much as we could, which I could not focus on at all. I was just, I couldn't sit still. I had to keep doing something. Meanwhile, my kids are scared.

Sunny: Amy, I'm sorry to interrupt you here, but how much time would you say has elapsed between the moment that you noticed, "Hey, this isn't the sun. This is smoke," to now at this moment, "I've got my kids, I've packed everything up." How much time right now has elapsed would you say?

Amy: Oh gosh, probably at least a good two hours.

Sunny: Okay. Okay, so this is moving pretty fast, and you've gotten as much as you can everyone that's important to you and everything that you need packed up, gassed up and just ready to hit go when needed?

Amy: Yeah, but the problem was is that traffic was so backed up that we couldn't even leave. And then the power went out around 10:00, which meant we lost access to TV, phones, everything. And it really wasn't until probably 11:00 that we started moving out with our trailer.

Matt: So Amy, Sunny and I are both parents and obviously you've got your kids out of school. How old are your kids at this time?

Amy: They are 10 and seven.

Matt: So we're talking fourth grade, maybe first grade? Is that what grades they were in when you had to get them out?

Amy: No, my daughter was in third grade, and my son was in kindergarten.

Matt: Okay. Okay. And so just kind of along the same lines, as a parent, what were you saying to the kids when you're getting them out of class? Was it that we've got to go right now? And the other students watching this parent come in and then evacuate their couple of kids. Was there panic in the classroom as well?

Amy: Well luckily or not luckily, depending on how you look at it, the school knew that there was a fire. In fact, school started about 8:05 at Cedarwood, and they started pulling all the kids into classes before school technically started. They were at the time trying to figure out buses to start evacuating the kids. And I will tell you that they changed the location of where they were taking the kids to at least five times that day. And I do have friends that lived with us for a while after the fire, whose son was on the Ponderosa Elementary School bus, which is the school bus that you guys may have heard about where the bus driver took his shirt off and two teachers pretty much shred it into pieces and then with a single bottle of water, got the pieces wet to give all the kids because they were passing out from smoke inhalation.

Matt: Oh my gosh.

Sunny: Oh my gosh.

Amy: Just trying to evacuate. And my friends didn't even learn where he was until probably about 4:00 that afternoon because they could not get to his school in time unfortunately.

Sunny: That's crazy.

Matt: So you've got the kids, you've got the animals, everybody's loaded up. It's about 9:30 would you say now?

Amy: For the most part, we finished probably about 9:30. Yeah. But we just couldn't leave until after probably 11:00, and this is when my kids are panicking going, "I want to go, I want to leave." And I had to tell them, "Unfortunately there's no place we can go right now because traffic is so backed up." They did start calming down once we did start moving. And I honestly cannot blame them for being scared because all we could do is look up at the sky, at the smoke, not knowing how close is the fire.

Amy: And we really didn't even have the true magnitude of the situation until later when we were able to learn the whole timeline of the fire and how it even hit Paradise because it really was not the main fire that hit Paradise. It was so windy that day that it was pretty much just spot fires off the main fire that was igniting all over Paradise, which is why it burned so quickly.

Sunny: And so when you finally got going, where did you head?

Amy: So the only way we had to go is, and this is the thanks to living in a mountain area, but we had two exits. You can go into Paradise, which obviously was not an option or you could head north up to Butte Meadows and then cut over to Highway 32 and then down to Chico. And that's the way that we ended up having to take. And keep in mind, I didn't sleep this entire time. I got off my shift, which was a 12-hour shift and I'm doing all of this on pure adrenaline. Because I'm a mom, knew I needed to grab bottles of water and snacks for the kids. We did end up stopping just before Stirling City at a big, huge open area because we all needed to go to the bathroom. Luckily I have a trailer so we could do that and then continue on, but it took at least five, six hours to get from our house to my in-laws' house in Durham, which normally if we were going to take that way to go there, which we would consider the extreme scenic route, would take an hour and 45 minutes.

Sunny: Oh my gosh.

Matt: So you made it to your in-laws' house, then in Durham, then you said?

Amy: Yeah, eventually. But I will say that when we were on 32 and finally, at first we're heading away from the fire and now the sky is blue. But then as we got on 32 heading towards Chico, we're going back into the smoke, and I kept seeing engines going down 32 the same direction that we were going. And because I knew the direction this fire was traveling, I was afraid that when they got down to the base of 32 in Chico that they were going to turn us back around because I was afraid that the fire was coming into that canyon. And luckily they did not. But it was quite the ordeal just trying to get through Chico also and get to my in-laws' house. And then shortly after we got there we got notice that we were supposed to evacuate there because the fire had jumped to 99, which is the closest highway to their house.

Amy: And I was so done running that I said, "If there is any reason whatsoever to believe that we're going to be okay, I need to know because I do not want to go anywhere." I was tired of fighting through the traffic. I think I was finally getting exhausted from just being awake that whole time. Plus the adrenaline running a toll on me that I ended up calling up a friend in Red Bluff to say, "Hey, if we do have to evacuate, do you have room for us?" And she did to the point that she said, "You don't even have to call, just please show up." And luckily we were okay, and were able to just stay at my in-laws' house.

Sunny: Yeah. So you're here, you're at your in-laws', how long before you and the children are able to just kind of digest and relax, just to calm down from the fire?

Amy: It was at least a good two to three days only because I didn't even feel safe. I don't think any of us did.

Sunny: I bet.

Amy: No one was. The fire jumped the highway. I only got two hours of sleep that night, and everybody was literally glued to the TV. Now my sister-in-law and my in-laws had already had a trip planned to Florida prior to all this, and they were supposed to leave that night. And they almost canceled it because they didn't even know if they could get to Sacramento because of all the traffic. But they ended up going anyway, which was like 3:00 AM. And that also was to kind of give us the house to ourselves.

Sunny: My son, we're in Midwest, so you get tornadoes and my son to this day, he hears about tornado warnings and he's 17 now and he still gets a little frazzled. And some time has passed. Your kids, if they hear fires close by, what are their responses now?

Amy: They want to know how close it is. And I mean, even I'm the same way. When I was working down in the Bay Area, any time I saw smoke, I wanted to know how close it was. Do I need to start evacuating? We're definitely on edge. It's not like before. And I used to be a volunteer with the Fire Department. I felt like I had a pretty good understanding of when you need to worry and when you don't need to worry. And I mean that night was just a no-brainer. It was you don't wait for your evacuation notice. You start packing and moving now. Fortunately we lived in Magalia so we had more time. But there's people in Paradise that didn't even have that time. It was literally, if you see it, it's too late. You need to start moving now.

Amy: And I think that's also what people don't understand too with how, because you hear people all the time complaining, "They didn't give us enough notice." And what I think a lot of people don't realize is no one has ever been in that kind of situation where the fire moves so quickly that by the time they realized it was time to start announcing evacuation, it was already too late by the time they even saw the fire. I mean I can't describe how fast this fire moved. And I really believe that the emergency workers did everything possible, everything that they could to let everybody know as quick as they could to get out. It was just an impossible situation though.

Sunny: Yeah. So now what? What is your life like now after the fire? What's rebuilding looking like at this point?

Amy: Paradise is slowly rebuilding. We still don't have very many businesses. You do see here and there a house that's being rebuilt, which is great. My friends ended up buying another house further up Magalia.

Amy: So they're doing great. We're still in our house. We did end up replacing our floors and had to have a air purifier in here for a couple days just because of all the smoke damage. But that's an entirely another subject.

Sunny: Were you able to go back to the hospital?

Amy: No. So the ER is the only part of the hospital that is technically okay. The lower part of the hospital, which is also the older part of the hospital, is completely destroyed. A lot of the outbuildings are also destroyed, but because of the damage to the roof, it's created a lot of leaks within the hospital and mold damage. So that's why the ER is the only building that is technically okay. The Sleep Lab did survive. They did have some damage, which I'm guessing is to the roof, but our Medical Director ended up relocating to Fresno. So I don't see any time in the near future the Sleep Lab's going to come back.

Matt: So Amy, since the Sleep Lab closed, what happened to your coworkers that were working in the Sleep Lab with you? Because I know that you said that you were on shift with a few other people that night. Obviously there was people there that were working. Did everybody relocate?

Amy: Yeah, everybody did. My coworker, she was actually asleep when the fire happened and had to have people calling her to wake her up and get out. She did lose her house. The two guys that I texted that morning that were working the day shift, both of them lost their houses. They're usually the ones that score the studies and after they relocated, I took that part to score all the studies we had up until the fire. But pretty much every, I would say at least half to two-thirds of our staff lost homes but they're all okay. They've relocated elsewhere. Some already had a per diem job or another full-time job elsewhere so they're okay there. As for my coworker that I was working with, she's still not back to work.

Matt: Wow. It's fresh for you, I'm sure. I'm sure it's very real, very fresh. How has this changed you because you're still practicing and you're still a Polysom Tech practicing today. How has this prepared you professionally and made you a better healthcare provider with continuing to practice and knowing that there's other things that could come up?

Amy: So I always had the mindset of before any time you had a difficult patient, you moan and groan and go, "I wish somebody else could take this patient or something." But I think since the fire, I kind of have more sympathy and more empathy for peoples' situations. They always say, "Everybody has a story on how they got to where they are." And I'm a firm believer now that that is true. I mean I've had some of those patients since then where I look at them and go, "Okay, they can be difficult." But honestly they end up being one of my favorite patients ever now because I talk to them, I find out their story, where they're coming from and the next thing we know we're buddies. It's not just patient and caregiver, it's something more than just that.

Sunny: And Amy, in order for you to get back up on your feet, what type of work did you have to seek or how did you rebuild in that aspect?

Amy: So originally after the fire and I realized my position at the hospital was not going to be there after February 5th, I was already applying for other jobs that, whether it be an office worker, monitor tech, anything at one of the local hospitals. And although my application usually would go at least to the hiring manager, it would never go past that. And it was getting to the point where I just did not want to spend a bunch of time on unemployment. And so I figured at that point my only option was to get into travel. And that's how I started out with travel talking with Katie Lutmer first, and she was very, very informative. Spent as much time as I needed on the phone, just answering all my questions, my concerns because I had no idea how the pay structure was with travel.

Amy: And then from there I met Suzanne, my Account Manager, and ended up just getting involved in travel. And luckily I ended up choosing an assignment at another small hospital, which for me I figured was the best choice for me, especially diving into this when I've never done it before. And it was a very good assignment. I loved the Director that I had. They understood my family situation. They let me choose my days off pretty much. And if I had something going on with one of my kids at home, they would let me change my schedule so that I could be home with them for that.

Matt: They sound like a good staff there. Was that the assignment you took in Hollister?

Amy: Yes.

Matt: They sound like a really good staff there. Did any of the folks in Hollister, were any of them at Feather River?

Amy: No.

Matt: None of them.

Amy: No, it's too far away.

Matt: Yeah. Yeah. So what's the outlook going forward for you? I know travel was new to you because of the disaster. What are your thoughts now and what do you kind of, if you had to plan out your next three to five years, is travel something you want to continue to explore or is it something that's kind of fills the need right now but you'd really like to be able to at least settle down somewhere?

Amy: So right now, I mean it's definitely something that I would consider if the situation made it so that I needed to do it. But ultimately I needed a permanent position because of the benefits. The kids and my husband are all on my benefits, and so that's why I took the job at Clear Lake. Ultimately, I did put an application at UC Davis, which is a lead senior sleep tech job, which I'm hoping that that works out because that will-

Sunny: Fingers crossed. You hear that UC Davis?

Amy: Huh?

Sunny: Fingers crossed. You hear that UC Davis?

Amy: Thanks. But that would take at least 30 minutes off my commute. We just recently decided to pull my trailer home, and I ended up getting a commuter car. So for right now I'm just going to commute the two hours to Clear Lake and two hours home.

Sunny: But you know what, Amy, I think you bring up a great story, and I don't want to downplay it at all and call this a story because it is actually an experience for you that no one else has. And I can't put words to it. I can't say that I can understand what you went through. I think it gives someone who is listening maybe an understanding that, "Wow, if I'm going through something and if I lose something like a job or if I'm displaced in some way, there is an answer out there." And I kind of resonate with you because we talked about at the beginning of this episode where Matt and I had talked about the 2009 recession. My family went through that and we lost our home.

Sunny: And mom to mom, me to you, it was no thought to me. I took temp jobs too. I was a temp worker. So I took my own assignment, if you will. And so I understood that. And so I relate to you in that respect. I don't know about the fear factor that you went through, and my heart goes out to you and your family, but I do understand that kind of primal instinct that I need to do whatever I need to do to protect my family. And so I think to those listeners out there, you bring up a good point is that there are options out there. That doesn't have to be waiting for a hiring manager to pick your resume out there. That a temporary assignment is an option for you until you find a full-time option for you. And so you're making that work because sometimes you do what you need to do to survive. And so thank you for bringing that option out there.

Matt: Yeah, I think it's interesting when you start talking about not only the work aspect of doing what you need to do, but she was doing what she needed. Amy, you were doing what you need to do during the fire. You got your children in your vehicle, your husband, you're either following your husband or your husband's following you and it's an emergency. I think the motherly instincts were pretty strong there. And I'd like you to talk a little bit about those motherly instincts and how you handled the time when you had to start traveling because that's a little bit different when you don't get to see your kids every day.

Sunny: Especially after that.

Matt: Yeah, especially after that. Can you tell us a little bit about how you guys coped with that when you needed to take that job in Hollister?

Amy: So I kind of feel like things were a little bit better then, because at least I would be gone for eight days at a time and then be home for six where I'm not working. I can give them my undivided attention before having to go back to Hollister, which is at least four hours away from home that I would end up traveling one way. And then of course the four hours back home, and I would usually come back home right after a shift.

Amy: And I did travel with my puppy at the time who's German Shepherd. And so usually after work we would go hiking before I would go back to the trailer and try and go to sleep. And that was my way of getting some energy expelled from him. And I will also say, I don't think I could have done travel at the time if I didn't bring him with me because I just needed something from home with me as well. It's nice being in my trailer because it was ours. I could decorate and do whatever I want with it. My Shepherd, I just took him to work with me. He would just be in his crate in my truck until I was done, and then we'd go do something together.

Amy: But my kids, they loved it when I was home and there was times that I wouldn't come home for at least three weeks because we had to change my days to accommodate something else that I could be there for. Now things are different. I might be closer to home, but I may only have two or three days with my kids and then I'm gone again. And that, especially with my son, has really been difficult now. I mean, there's times where I'm trying to leave to go to work, especially in just Chico, and he is just clinging onto me saying, "You don't need to go mom. You can stay home. You don't need to work." And he doesn't understand that. And it breaks my heart, but I mean there's nothing I can do. I have to go to work in order to pay the bills and Christmas is coming, make sure he has a great Christmas and everything else.

Amy: I mean last year I honestly, if it wasn't for them, I would not have celebrated Christmas. It did not feel like Christmas to me, and it didn't feel like Christmas anywhere in Chico. You would go into the stores and it wasn't the same busy-ness that you would expect during any Christmastime. And it just seemed like people were definitely down and depressed. And it was also a problem of people didn't know where to put things if they did buy them because they didn't have a home left.

Sunny: Everyone was recovering or healing.

Amy: Yeah. It just completely changed the dynamic. And we had bought a Christmas tree, a fake one from Costco just before the fire and we literally thought it was gone because for a full week we thought our house was gone because they kept showing our house within the burn zone. It wasn't until maybe about a week later we got a text message from our friends, the ones that did lose their home, that our house survived. And it was only because they had a law enforcement friend that they asked to come over to our house and check on it. And he's the one that took the picture and sent it to them and they sent it to us to show that our house survived.

Sunny: Yeah. They say that kids are resilient, and they really are. And I know it hurts now, but your son and, you have a daughter, right? And your son and daughter, they're going to look back and they're going to be like, "Wow mom, thank you." You know, because you were so strong and you kept food on the table and you kept the lights on and this time next year, I'm hoping you're at ... I hope UC Davis is listening. You'll be at this position because you are surviving and you're still fighting even after the fire because you're keeping those instincts on. You're still doing that and gosh, that makes you a hero, and he will appreciate that. And being a mom of older kids, I know that for a fact because they look back and they will tell you that. So I know it's hard right now-

Amy: Ah, thank you.

Sunny: But they will tell you that.

Amy: Yeah, I've been told that several times, and I just hope that some day that day does come.

Sunny: It will.

Matt: Amy, thank you so much for joining us today and telling your story. And we wish you luck. And prayers for your family and all the families that were affected by the fire. And we really do appreciate you taking the time. I know you're busy and you're busy continuing to put the things together even a year after this tragedy. Before we let you go, we just would like to know, we ask all of our guests, we would like to know, Amy, what is your why?

Amy: I've always wanted to be in the medical field. I think my dad was the biggest reason for that, and I think I'm probably a lot like him. He was a workaholic, went to school, became an RN, top of his class. I remember not being able to see him much. And unfortunately when he was 41 he passed from a massive heart attack when I was nine years old. And I think as a result, I wanted to know why was he in the medical field. Why was he so focused on that instead of being with his family?

Amy: And since doing it, I realized I love helping people. I love listening to their stories, especially now and finding out why they're in the situation that they're in. See if there's any way that I can try and help them feel better about their situation or make things better in some way. Make them feel better. I mean, even if I can't solve all their problems, but just be that person that truly listened to them. I mean, there are times that I have patients that at first they're really upset and I realize that they're holding onto so much pain. And I may have other patients that are waiting for me, but the next thing I know I'm sitting on the edge of their bed, just letting them pour out on me. And I appreciate that they actually trusted me enough and felt comfortable enough that they were able to do that.

Amy: I don't think medicine is just applying a bandaid or making them feel better. I mean it's the emotional part to it as well. And that's the part that I think is the most important part with medicine. And unfortunately we don't always have the time to give our patients in order to do that for them.

Amy: And then as for sleep, it was just another aspect of the medical field that I was able to do this. And honestly, when I was working as an EMT or working as a volunteer in a Fire Department, I wouldn't be able to have the time to give them that I do now. I mean, I'm with that patient all night long so they can tell me anything they want when I'm setting them up or during the night or even in the morning and I'll be there to listen to them.

Matt: Pretty important why. Thank you, Amy, thank you for sharing that with us today. And thank you again for joining us and again, best of luck and prayers for you and the family.

Sunny: Yeah, thank you so much.

Amy: Thank you.

Matt: Sunny, that's going to wrap up today's podcast. It's been a good one. We would love to hear from you guys, so please drop us a review. Let us know your thoughts on today's topic or anything else you'd like to discuss. And we will see you guys next time. Bye-bye everybody.

Sunny: Bye everyone.

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